Comments for from the Boondox http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:22:56 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on … but hate church… by Brian Foulks http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-269 Brian Foulks Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:22:56 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-269 Amos, There is definitely no church without Jesus and the solace is within him but the hubbing togther in community is what I am getting at. We can't be a island out on our own that are just godly with no interaction with the world. the point is to build community of believers that will then engage other with the gospel. Amos,

There is definitely no church without Jesus and the solace is within him but the hubbing togther in community is what I am getting at. We can’t be a island out on our own that are just godly with no interaction with the world. the point is to build community of believers that will then engage other with the gospel.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by Brian Foulks http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-268 Brian Foulks Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:19:54 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-268 Let me preface this with a wow. Man it is crazy that the place you are suppose to find solace is the very place you find grief. I find so many people quoting Hebrews 10:25 as if the magic word is church. (the building that is) I believe we have done such an injustice to the body of Christ as a whole because in the very place we call scared we have misused power and position. John I like the analogy you use with the juiceing. It seems to be appropriate for what you said. I think your walk shows how we all should behave if we are in the situation. Do everything unto the Lord? We would then truly show off the effect of community in operation. Let me preface this with a wow. Man it is crazy that the place you are suppose to find solace is the very place you find grief. I find so many people quoting Hebrews 10:25 as if the magic word is church. (the building that is)

I believe we have done such an injustice to the body of Christ as a whole because in the very place we call scared we have misused power and position. John I like the analogy you use with the juiceing. It seems to be appropriate for what you said. I think your walk shows how we all should behave if we are in the situation. Do everything unto the Lord? We would then truly show off the effect of community in operation.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by John http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-267 John Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:29:49 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-267 Thanks guys, this has been some good stuff. I quoted some in our councel meeting last night. My wife and I were talking on the way home about how church terminology has come up with lables for everything such as "Season" Seems that some have this idea that ones "Ministry" only lasts for a season. Here is what we've come up with that may be scratching at the surface of this deep subject. Using our own experiences, I've been a musician on praise teams, operate A.V. Equipment, taught youth and currently serve on our church councel. My wife has taught childrens Sunday school, served as nursery coordinator and is currently secretary at the church we attend. We have been foster parrents and even worked at a Christian children's home for a time. Seems like alot of stuff, but with each move we feel a little more "Burned" Thus, we came up with this annalogy, We are fruits that have been "Juiced" and the left over waste, being no good anymore, is cast aside, or thrown away. Leaders would tell us that "this Season of our ministry is over". We have be stay humble and not complain which we try earnestly to do though sometimes it's quite hard. Such as when I was asked to put up my bass and play the 'clavi' (whacking sticks together) so that we could allow a new member to play bass. OK, I did this, I didn't complain (untill now) (and yes I realize that this is unforgiveness that I must deal with) I played my clavi and some percussion as unto the lord and then was asked to step asside and sing in the choir when another new member knew how to play percussion. And yes I went along with this too. Side note: Reading this one might think that I am either not a good musician, or a trouble maker, please let me assure you that this is not the case. I am generally quiet and though a long way from professional, I can play most stringed instruments and some percussion fairly well. I love the Lord with all my heart and would never intentionally bring disshonor to His name or disruption within our or any fellowship. Anyway, this is the kind of stuff that we see over and over in churches. It has probably happened to all of us in one way or another. If not the way I described above then, by sheer burnout, watch your nursery workers and how often they are in church but never hear a message. They work tirelessly and don't complain. But when they do it's generally big and feelings get hurt and people quit and leave churches. Could this possibly be some root reason as to the discontentedness. maybe the lack of care for those who do the work as volunteers, we just "use em and juice em and throw the leftovers out" I think this may be a crude way to put it but it's the way I see it. We had a ladies Bible study leader in our church who was simply pushed asside when another wanted to start teaching. Yeh, She quit! What an end to a great service!!! Thanks guys, this has been some good stuff. I quoted some in our councel meeting last night.
My wife and I were talking on the way home about how church terminology has come up with lables for everything such as “Season”
Seems that some have this idea that ones “Ministry” only lasts for a season.
Here is what we’ve come up with that may be scratching at the surface of this deep subject.
Using our own experiences,
I’ve been a musician on praise teams, operate A.V. Equipment, taught youth and currently serve on our church councel. My wife has taught childrens Sunday school, served as nursery coordinator and is currently secretary at the church we attend.
We have been foster parrents and even worked at a Christian children’s home for a time.
Seems like alot of stuff, but with each move we feel a little more “Burned”
Thus, we came up with this annalogy,
We are fruits that have been “Juiced” and the left over waste, being no good anymore, is cast aside, or thrown away.
Leaders would tell us that “this Season of our ministry is over”.
We have be stay humble and not complain which we try earnestly to do though sometimes it’s quite hard. Such as when I was asked to put up my bass and play the ‘clavi’ (whacking sticks together) so that we could allow a new member to play bass. OK, I did this, I didn’t complain (untill now) (and yes I realize that this is unforgiveness that I must deal with) I played my clavi and some percussion as unto the lord and then was asked to step asside and sing in the choir when another new member knew how to play percussion. And yes I went along with this too.

Side note:
Reading this one might think that I am either not a good musician, or a trouble maker, please let me assure you that this is not the case. I am generally quiet and though a long way from professional, I can play most stringed instruments and some percussion fairly well. I love the Lord with all my heart and would never intentionally bring disshonor to His name or disruption within our or any fellowship.

Anyway, this is the kind of stuff that we see over and over in churches. It has probably happened to all of us in one way or another.
If not the way I described above then, by sheer burnout, watch your nursery workers and how often they are in church but never hear a message. They work tirelessly and don’t complain. But when they do it’s generally big and feelings get hurt and people quit and leave churches.
Could this possibly be some root reason as to the discontentedness. maybe the lack of care for those who do the work as volunteers, we just “use em and juice em and throw the leftovers out”
I think this may be a crude way to put it but it’s the way I see it.
We had a ladies Bible study leader in our church who was simply pushed asside when another wanted to start teaching.
Yeh, She quit!
What an end to a great service!!!

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by A. Amos Love http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-266 A. Amos Love Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:08:46 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-266 . . . . Brian - John Isn't one of our greatest challenges, the way we use and understand words? A simple word "Church." What do you see and understand? A building with a steeple on it? Is that in the Bible? Pastors in pulpits preaching to people in pews? Is that in the Bible? We ask, what is the “Church?” How do we do “Church.” When we could ask - WHO is the Church? Did Jesus shed His blood for a building, a business, an institution, an organization, a denomination, or a corporation? In the USA you have to ask the IRS if you can become a church. HUH? And you fill out a form, a 501 (c) (3), if they give the okay, you become a legal church, you become a 501 (c) (3), non profit, tax deductible, religious corporation. So all these places that we have been calling “church” are really corporations. And they are run like a corporation, a business. Should we call a corporation “The Church of God?” And we have been deceiving the people we’re trying to reach. Did anyone in the Bible ever go to "Church?" Or did those who were "disciples of Christ" become the "Church? Jesus, the head of the body (the ekklesia, the called out one's) the "Church." Isn't the "Body of Christ" and "Church" one and the same? Brian, you wrote, “As a friend of mine stated a week ago to me, there has to be someplace where we can go.” There is a place to go. His name is Jesus. Why isn’t Jesus enough? And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear "my voice;" and there shall be "one fold," and "one shepherd." John 10:16 One Fold - One Shepherd - One Voice. If Not Now, When? In His Service. By His Grace. .
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Brian – John

Isn’t one of our greatest challenges, the way we use and understand words?

A simple word “Church.”

What do you see and understand?

A building with a steeple on it?
Is that in the Bible?

Pastors in pulpits preaching to people in pews?
Is that in the Bible?

We ask, what is the “Church?”
How do we do “Church.”

When we could ask – WHO is the Church?

Did Jesus shed His blood for a building, a business,
an institution, an organization, a denomination, or a corporation?

In the USA you have to ask the IRS if you can become a church. HUH?
And you fill out a form, a 501 (c) (3), if they give the okay, you become
a legal church, you become a
501 (c) (3), non profit, tax deductible, religious corporation.

So all these places that we have been calling “church” are really corporations.
And they are run like a corporation, a business.

Should we call a corporation “The Church of God?”

And we have been deceiving the people we’re trying to reach.

Did anyone in the Bible ever go to “Church?”
Or did those who were “disciples of Christ” become the “Church?
Jesus, the head of the body (the ekklesia, the called out one’s) the “Church.”

Isn’t the “Body of Christ” and “Church” one and the same?

Brian, you wrote,

“As a friend of mine stated a week ago to me,
there has to be someplace where we can go.”

There is a place to go. His name is Jesus. Why isn’t Jesus enough?

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear “my voice;”
and there shall be “one fold,” and “one shepherd.”
John 10:16

One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
If Not Now, When?

In His Service. By His Grace.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by Brian Foulks http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-265 Brian Foulks Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:19:32 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-265 Amos, The "Ideal Church" was money brother. Amos,

The “Ideal Church” was money brother.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by brian foulks http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-264 brian foulks Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:12:34 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-264 John, I also read the "Ideal Church " and I must say that it is one of the closest model I have seen to what I view church as through the lens of scripture. And your quote,"People are leaving the “Church” to protect their faith" is something that the body of Christ really needs to think about. That is a massive statement that has so much truth. I was one of those people. I just read a book called Surprising Insights by Thom Rainer and he shows how the unchurched want to pastors to be more doctrinal in their presentations because they want to learn. I says that most pastor spend less than 2 hours a week preparing their message. John,

I also read the “Ideal Church ” and I must say that it is one of the closest model I have seen to what I view church as through the lens of scripture. And your quote,”People are leaving the “Church” to protect their faith” is something that the body of Christ really needs to think about. That is a massive statement that has so much truth.

I was one of those people. I just read a book called Surprising Insights by Thom Rainer and he shows how the unchurched want to pastors to be more doctrinal in their presentations because they want to learn. I says that most pastor spend less than 2 hours a week preparing their message.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by John http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-263 John Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:27:34 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-263 One last thought before I go home, I heard a statement several weeks ago that really hits hard. --"People are leaving the "Church" to protect their faith"-- This was a statement from a denominational district leader, for whatever that's worth. What do you say? One last thought before I go home,
I heard a statement several weeks ago that really hits hard.
–”People are leaving the “Church” to protect their faith”–
This was a statement from a denominational district leader, for whatever that’s worth.
What do you say?

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by John http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-262 John Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:38:51 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-262 Also read the "Ideal Church" Good stuff, printed it off and will take it home and study with my wife. Wish I could visit with you gentlemen all day. Thank you all so much. Also read the “Ideal Church”
Good stuff, printed it off and will take it home and study with my wife.
Wish I could visit with you gentlemen all day.
Thank you all so much.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by John http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-261 John Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:35:48 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-261 Brian, I believe that the Scriptures are global and that they apply to everyone believer and non believer alike. I see many instances where Gods promises are true for all. Especially in giving! You will notice that the most successfull buisnesses give generously to their communities. These obviously blessed individuals are often not what I would consider a brother or sister in Christ and probably for the most part LOST in sin and desperately searching. This all gets back to the church thing. Some churches will even go to the extent of withholding buisness from a local merchant because they are not Christian, if this could possibly be a good idea, then how on earth are we to live like Christ? After all, Jesus hung with the "Wrong Crowd" all the while showing love (not approval). How can any of us rightly judge this? I think it's up to God, not me. By the way, I'm really enjoying this conservation. Brian,
I believe that the Scriptures are global and that they apply to everyone believer and non believer alike. I see many instances where Gods promises are true for all. Especially in giving! You will notice that the most successfull buisnesses give generously to their communities. These obviously blessed individuals are often not what I would consider a brother or sister in Christ and probably for the most part LOST in sin and desperately searching.
This all gets back to the church thing. Some churches will even go to the extent of withholding buisness from a local merchant because they are not Christian, if this could possibly be a good idea, then how on earth are we to live like Christ? After all, Jesus hung with the “Wrong Crowd” all the while showing love (not approval).
How can any of us rightly judge this? I think it’s up to God, not me.
By the way, I’m really enjoying this conservation.

]]> Comment on … but hate church… by A. Amos Love http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/but-hate-church/#comment-260 A. Amos Love Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:46:45 +0000 http://revolutionaryintent.wordpress.com/?p=596#comment-260 "The Ideal Church" Enjoying the conversation. It is quite a challenge. Thought you might enjoy this post. It was posted just a few days ago. "The Ideal Church" Oct 30, 09 http://www.billheroman.com/ Br blessed in your search for truth... Jesus “The Ideal Church”

Enjoying the conversation. It is quite a challenge.

Thought you might enjoy this post.

It was posted just a few days ago.

“The Ideal Church”

Oct 30, 09

http://www.billheroman.com/

Br blessed in your search for truth… Jesus

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